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		<title>By: Mike Stark</title>
		<link>http://www.starkreports.com/2010/01/10/the-implosion-editors-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 04:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey y&#039;all...  

One of the biggest criticisms of this approach is that the Democratic consultant class and their handmaidens in the media will spin any Democratic defeat as a rebuke of liberalism (and the overly liberal Barack Obama).  

By dropping everything to help out in Mass or other election, progressives make that an easy case to make.  Until more people loudly proclaim their disillusionment with corporate Democrats and make it known that they had nothing to do with supporting establishment candidates, they cannot credibly make the claim that it was their ideology that was rejected by the voters.  We have to make it known that the corporate Party was cut loose by progressives and why so:  they weren&#039;t fulfilling campaign promises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey y&#8217;all&#8230;  </p>
<p>One of the biggest criticisms of this approach is that the Democratic consultant class and their handmaidens in the media will spin any Democratic defeat as a rebuke of liberalism (and the overly liberal Barack Obama).  </p>
<p>By dropping everything to help out in Mass or other election, progressives make that an easy case to make.  Until more people loudly proclaim their disillusionment with corporate Democrats and make it known that they had nothing to do with supporting establishment candidates, they cannot credibly make the claim that it was their ideology that was rejected by the voters.  We have to make it known that the corporate Party was cut loose by progressives and why so:  they weren&#8217;t fulfilling campaign promises.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.starkreports.com/2010/01/10/the-implosion-editors-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100%.  Hold them accountable.  

It is this simple:  Obama must face a House of Representatives capable of impeaching him if progressive Democrats and Republicans band together.

I voted for Obama, but the crap that is going on with Wall Street right now stinks so much to high heaven that we need the threat of impeachment hanging over this White House.    Even if the Senate wouldn&#039;t convict, the important thing is that impeachment will bring an investigation.  

I&#039;ll say it again:  if our party keeps abusing us, let&#039;s make sure in 2010 the house of representatives becomes a credible threat to Obama&#039;s behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100%.  Hold them accountable.  </p>
<p>It is this simple:  Obama must face a House of Representatives capable of impeaching him if progressive Democrats and Republicans band together.</p>
<p>I voted for Obama, but the crap that is going on with Wall Street right now stinks so much to high heaven that we need the threat of impeachment hanging over this White House.    Even if the Senate wouldn&#8217;t convict, the important thing is that impeachment will bring an investigation.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it again:  if our party keeps abusing us, let&#8217;s make sure in 2010 the house of representatives becomes a credible threat to Obama&#8217;s behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So one of the reasons people are supposed to vote for Democrats is because a man who is not ever going to be on the ballot again, George Bush, mishandled Katrina five years ago?  Talk about lame.  As for the &quot;Culture of Corruption&quot;, remind me, which party are Charlie Rangel, John Murtha and assorted others members of again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So one of the reasons people are supposed to vote for Democrats is because a man who is not ever going to be on the ballot again, George Bush, mishandled Katrina five years ago?  Talk about lame.  As for the &#8220;Culture of Corruption&#8221;, remind me, which party are Charlie Rangel, John Murtha and assorted others members of again?</p>
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		<title>By: sfflyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfflyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Thanks for calling it the way you see it. I read this over at the evil orange empire (I followed a link) and the comments and behavior in the resulting thread reminded me why I quit going there years ago. Those enablers are going to get exactly what they deserve... unfortunately the rest of us will pay too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Thanks for calling it the way you see it. I read this over at the evil orange empire (I followed a link) and the comments and behavior in the resulting thread reminded me why I quit going there years ago. Those enablers are going to get exactly what they deserve&#8230; unfortunately the rest of us will pay too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark G.</title>
		<link>http://www.starkreports.com/2010/01/10/the-implosion-editors-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m saying that the reason our side’s energy level has bottomed out&quot;

Therein lies the fault in your thinking. There is no &quot;our side&quot; for the typical american. Class warfare, the assault on the middle class is the division, not r&#039;s or d&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m saying that the reason our side’s energy level has bottomed out&#8221;</p>
<p>Therein lies the fault in your thinking. There is no &#8220;our side&#8221; for the typical american. Class warfare, the assault on the middle class is the division, not r&#8217;s or d&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.starkreports.com/2010/01/10/the-implosion-editors-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would second Angie, but . . . too late.  The US is a corporatocracy and has been for about 50 years - ever since DDE warned us of the Military Industrial Complex.  

And Mike:

I really hope people haven’t forgotten Katrina, the “last throes” of Iraq, the “culture of corruption”.

Sorry, they have.  It comes with having abandoned education and instead embracing corporate media as the cornerstone of all our information.  For more information on this and other issues, read 1984.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would second Angie, but . . . too late.  The US is a corporatocracy and has been for about 50 years &#8211; ever since DDE warned us of the Military Industrial Complex.  </p>
<p>And Mike:</p>
<p>I really hope people haven’t forgotten Katrina, the “last throes” of Iraq, the “culture of corruption”.</p>
<p>Sorry, they have.  It comes with having abandoned education and instead embracing corporate media as the cornerstone of all our information.  For more information on this and other issues, read 1984.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie in WA State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie in WA State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crazy, isn&#039;t it?  

You simply say that progressives keep getting rolled, because we keep letting the moderates and conservatives have their way, &lt;b&gt;every time&lt;/b&gt; - and people call you insane (and that&#039;s one of the nicer terms).

Why would the administration ever move back to a more progressive position on anything - unless the progressives start saying, &quot;no&quot;, at least once in a while.

As a caucus, the progressives have been unwilling to unleash their political power - but the day is coming.  

The best part? They young are ever more progressive than they used to be, and with the advent of the internet, they are more active and invested in the political system than their parents and grandparents ever were.  If we can hold out another 10 years, I predict a completely progressive takeover of the wider political landscape.

If we can hold out another 10 years without watching our Republic turn from &lt;i&gt;These United States&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;USA, Inc.&lt;/i&gt;, a limited liability corporation, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy, isn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>You simply say that progressives keep getting rolled, because we keep letting the moderates and conservatives have their way, <b>every time</b> &#8211; and people call you insane (and that&#8217;s one of the nicer terms).</p>
<p>Why would the administration ever move back to a more progressive position on anything &#8211; unless the progressives start saying, &#8220;no&#8221;, at least once in a while.</p>
<p>As a caucus, the progressives have been unwilling to unleash their political power &#8211; but the day is coming.  </p>
<p>The best part? They young are ever more progressive than they used to be, and with the advent of the internet, they are more active and invested in the political system than their parents and grandparents ever were.  If we can hold out another 10 years, I predict a completely progressive takeover of the wider political landscape.</p>
<p>If we can hold out another 10 years without watching our Republic turn from <i>These United States</i> to <i>USA, Inc.</i>, a limited liability corporation, that is.</p>
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